Episode #25: Understanding High Sensitivity Through Energy, Alignment, and Authenticity
Exploring how HSPs sense truth, energy, and alignment, and what it means for your purpose, with Inluminance founder Willow McIntosh.
Welcome back to The Happy HSP Podcast. I’m your host, Kimberly Marshall, and today’s conversation is a powerful one — especially if you’ve ever wondered how to align with your purpose and use your energy more effectively as an HSP.
My guest is Willow McIntosh, who is a facilitator, international speaker, and the founder of Inluminance. He shares what it’s like to tap into his own ability to read energy, sense truth, and help others align with what feels authentic.
We discuss Willow’s expertise in training how to HSPs to tap into their unique perceptual gifts and dive into the many ways to gain a deeper understanding of how to align with your purpose.
I hope you enjoy it!
Kim: Willow, I’m so happy to have you. Welcome.
Willow: Thank you so much, Kim. It’s really wonderful to be here.
Kim: Yeah. So, my first question for you is how you found out you were highly sensitive and what that journey looked like for you?
Willow: Yeah, so I found out when I was working with a particular mentor back in 2008, who mentioned that she thought that I was highly sensitive and that then initially I responded, I think how most men actually respond, which is a bit of a shame, is where we don’t like the word sensitive, and I’m sure it’s the same for women, too.
And I researched a bit about it, and then I got quite interested. And then I read the book by Dr. Elaine Aron, and there was something that just wasn’t sitting right with me. I wasn’t really feeling like the challenges of the trait were all the whole picture, and that then set me on a whole different path about really finding out what it was about and what it truly meant for me. And I’m sure we’ll dive into that more as we go.
Kim: Right. So, what are these challenges that you were seeing? And I’m curious, what about the book spoke to you, and then what about the book was not connecting for you? Can you share that?
Willow: Yeah, yeah. The book was amazing. It’s like discovering fire for us as HSPs, and it was a real breakthrough to read it, but it felt like the book was focusing more on how to live with the trait. And that was very, very helpful to have all of that information. But the piece that I was really interested in was how I was processing the world more deeply and what the real purpose of it was. That was what my interest was. I wanted to know if 25% of the population have had this trait, it’s always been in the genome ever since early man, why is it there and what does it mean?
And I started to do more and more research, and I was very lucky to work with some key people who really understood the trait and understood how it was working in me. And that opened up this whole new world for me when I was asked a very particular question, which was, what is your reality, Willow, in a very special kind of context.
And I came away from that session. I was like, oh my goodness, me, and all these pennies dropped for me. And I realized that ever since as a child, from my earliest memories, I just realized I was having this in-depth experience in a very particular area of life that really fascinated and intrigued me and also challenged me. And I realized that perspective and depth of perception of being with me all these years. And suddenly I realized, whoa, I’m actually seeing things more deeply in this area of life. And that then started to open up the doors for my purpose, and I realized I was gifted in a particular way.
Kim: And can you share what that particular way might be?
Willow: Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. So, what I call my area of fascination, which is something that I teach, I teach, which is it’s a way into discovering our purpose is by becoming aware of what it is that really fascinates us and has always fascinated us. So, for me, it was always around purpose and potential. Those were the areas that were deeply important to me ever since I was a child. I was always fascinated by what people did, what stopped people from doing what they really wanted to do and how we were connected into a bigger context. And I couldn’t articulate that as a child, but I could just observe this the way in which life was trying to flow through people. I just had this awareness of energy and awareness of what we were here to do. That’s what I was most, that was a conversation I always wanted to have.
But I was challenged in that, which is often how it goes for us, right, in the area of life that we’re deeply fascinated by is also the area that we’re challenged in. So, I had to go through an experience of really trying to figure out what my purpose was. I came into my early adulthood not knowing at all, fighting with being different, I didn’t get the guidance and support that I needed, and I was very much lost in that area. But interestingly, that’s what set me on the path to wanting to reclaim this ability that I had. So, the purpose that I am aware of now is linked with an ability that I have to facilitate purpose in other HSPs. So, when I first figured out that I was highly sensitive in 2008, I then began this period of training and development in order to try to understand what the trait was doing through me.
And as I started to do that more and more work that I was doing, I began to work and coach other HSPs, and I realized that I had this ability to be able to read when they were being truthful and when they were lighting up around their truth and potential. And when they were kind of going into story and going off track. And I realized that I could read and feel all of that happening, and I would be receiving questions to ask them, picking up on micro-expressions and tone of voice. And I realized that I had this ability to be able to facilitate the revelation of purpose and potential in another HSP.
Kim: Wow. That’s fascinating because I feel like that concept that you’re describing isn’t something that a lot of children are aware of. I feel like that’s more a developmental idea when you’re an adult. How is my purpose flowing through me? You had that within you as a child.
Willow: Yeah, as a child, it was actually a very different experience. It made much more sense to me as a child, although if you’d asked me these questions as a child, I wouldn’t have been able to answer them. But what I was observing was really a feeling of flow that was either doing its thing or that was being blocked.
So, when I was observing adults around me, or even when I was in the garden and in nature, I was very aware of this flow that was going through me and that was going through everything, and it felt really exciting. I felt like I was just part of this kind of magical intelligence, but when I was in conversation with people, I could just observe and I could just tell when people were not being real or when they were lit up and, in their flow, and I just could see as a child, why is that adult being like that? And why is that one being like that? So, I could feel it, but I didn’t know what I was observing.
Kim: What it was or why. Right. Question, when you say flow, I’m guessing you mean energy, like energy or…what is your definition of flow when you talk about that, how would you describe it?
Willow: Yeah, it’s a great question, and I hope your listeners are open to this type of, this way of looking at things because a part of life that I’m deeply fascinated by, but when I talk about flow and energy, it is a feeling that I have going through my body all the time. So, there’s a flow that’s coming from my left and then going out from my right. And sometimes I’m blocking it and sometimes it’s stronger, sometimes it’s weaker, and I’m actually utilizing that flow when I’m facilitating. So, I can feel it’s partly, it’s a partly visual thing, and it’s partly a feeling ability where I’m reading what’s happening in a person in front of me, or if I go and sit in nature, I can feel and see this flow. It’s a bit different from seeing it with my eyes. It’s almost more seeing it with my heart.
So, I’m kind of aware of this movement that’s happening, and I’m either in alignment with that…like if I’m stressed or worried about something, then I feel myself disconnected. And then when I’m aligned and in flow, I can then feel it coming through me. And that experience has been closely related to my purpose.
So, in other words, another experience that I had as a child, it was much more visceral as a child, it was much more visual, that experience as a child, I can remember standing in my garden and just standing in this flow, and I could feel the color blue in the sky and feel the green and see the wind. It was really visceral as a child. But what was happening to me back then was this awareness from my perspective, that we are a part of this greater magical intelligence that’s just mind-blowing in its magnitude. And that awareness within me has never gone anywhere. It’s stayed within me that there is a responsibility or I’m a part of helping that intelligence to make the world better. So, the work that I do is always in the back of my mind that I’m helping this movement towards good or towards better.
Kim: So, not only can you sense that energy, it’s so funny that you mentioned this too. I’ve heard other people explain it that way. They don’t necessarily see the colors. They feel the colors, which is for someone who hasn’t experienced that, I don’t know if I have, probably not, or I would probably understand it more, but that must be so different. And yeah, I’ve heard people say that they can sense the color. They don’t necessarily see it, but they can feel it and sense the energy of it. What is that like? If you could describe?
Willow: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is a great question. It’s like a body sensation. So, I’m sure you’re familiar with the clair’s…you’ve got the clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience…
Kim: Yes.
Willow: So, my version of that is clairsentient. So, it’s all about feeling for me. And claircognizance is the other one, which is knowing, which is when we just know things. So, in my experience as HSPs, we all have a version of one of these four, or we’re more developed in one than the other. Some of us, when we’re at clairaudient, we’re hearing messages more…clairvoyance, when we go see a clairvoyant, they’re seeing someone’s past and future.
I mean, that’s one aspect of it, as you know. So, for me, what’s happening with this flow and this energy is my body is a feeling experience of energy. So, there’s a tingling, there’s a movement, there’s a flow. Sometimes it’s more intricate than other times. Sometimes it kind of deadens and sometimes it gets really alive. But there’s this constant flow around the sort of energetic field of me and that reads stuff. So that’s sending me data through my senses that then allows me to feel a color or to see a sound. But it’s very subtle. It’s not like watching a cinema. It’s more of a feeling experience connected with a knowing.
Kim: So, this is so fascinating because high sensitivity is one thing, that’s more psychological and kind of emotional, feeling, body, biological. What was your journey finding out about this? How did you learn about this part of you? How did that come to light? How did you develop that? You said you had blockages in this area. I’m guessing there was a lot to learn. Can you share a little bit about what that was like for you?
Willow: Yeah, yeah. So that stage of my therapy really and my training was the greatest breakthrough of my life because I was very lucky to be working with a facilitator who could see all this happening in me. So, he was also an HSP, but very advanced in his awareness. When I was working with him, I think he was in his early 80s when I first began working with him. And just like the sage, this amazing kind of human developer, he calls himself, but he works at a very, very interesting level. He was seeing the way that I was experiencing things, and he was aware that I had these particular abilities, and he was very interested in working with me to develop these. But he did that in a very clever way because when we first met, I was in completely different line of work.
I was developing property with my grandfather, and that wasn’t going very well. It was in 2008, 2000 when the credit crunch was happening, and things were not looking good. And he was really interested in shifting me into working with people. But he did that very cleverly. So, rather than telling me that he allowed me to figure it out for myself, however, the real breakthrough that happened was when he invited me to start to talk about this sensory experience that was happening. What are you feeling Willow? What happens when you are observing sitting in nature? What’s happening when you are sitting in conversation with someone that you are really intrigued with, and you want to find out more about them?
And the way he asked me these questions, I started to realize that I was having this sensory experience and that I was reading all of this data in a sensory way. And the breakthrough was, is that even though I had been doing that all of my life, I had repressed it all. So, it was all unconscious because as many happens with us as HSPs that we’re told to fit in, and it’s not easy to talk to people about this type of experience. So, that was just hidden in me. But through this facilitation, it allowed me to reclaim it and bring it back into conscious ownership again.
And then I started having this very conscious experience of what was happening. And once I was able to actually bring that into purpose in sessions of facilitating people, then I realized why it’s happening and what I needed to do.
Kim: Willow, that’s so beautiful. And how did you meet this guy that helped you with this journey? How did you meet him?
Willow: I actually met him through a friend. A friend of mine was working with him, and I just, one day my friend told me that he wanted to see me, so I phoned him up and I went to see him, and then our work began.
Kim: Wow. That’s amazing.
Willow: Yeah.
Kim: I love how that stuff happens. We just kind of find the right people and connect in ways like that. So, can you tell me about your journey now? How do you use that purpose to help other people with their purpose? What is your process like and what is the work that you’re doing?
Willow: So, I run the process that I revealed through my experience. So, what I focus on with HSPs is bringing them into service, utilizing their gifts and abilities in a way that matters most to them. So, usually what happens is when someone contacts me, they are, it’s similar to my journey or similar to many of our journeys, aware there’s something really important that we want to be working with, or we’re just aware that there’s a cause in our hearts that really matters to us, but we can’t seem to put our finger on it, tend to be in the wrong line of work, but tend to be having a different experience to other people and just unable to know what to do with all of that.
So, I typically train people who want to become coaches or become a specialist in a particular area. And we start on exactly the same process that I went through is what is the experience you’re having? I have a process called the high sensory method, which is what fascinates you? What’s your sensory awareness? What’s your “why”? What really matters to you? And how’s your journey been challenging you? And when those are pieced together, that then reveals an HSPs purpose and cause.
Kim: Wow. So, you kind of help people kind of think about what fascinates them and think about the gifts that they have and then you help them develop it and just kind of support that process.
Willow: Yeah, so it’s really interesting how it works. And I mean, I don’t claim that I necessarily made this up. It’s really an observation through working with many HSPs over the years that once we get very clear on what it is that deeply interests or enchants us, so let’s say for example, someone is really interested in wellbeing, so they’re very interested in eating healthily and exercising and self-love, that kind of thing. So that’s just an area of life that they’ve always been passionate about. Where it gets interesting is for us as HSPs is the way that we are processing more deeply at a cognitive level, which is obviously what makes us an HSP, that is working in partnership with what really matters to us, with what really fascinates us.
So, for someone who is deeply passionate about wellbeing, let’s say when they observe someone else, they will be able to feel and read what’s in the way of their wellbeing or whether they’re supporting their wellbeing. So, in other words, an HSP who wants to become a coach, let’s say in the area of wellbeing, they will be able to read many different elements of that person, and they’ll be able to feel when they are eating healthily, if they’re taking enough exercise, whether they’re in the right line of work, whether they’re in the right relationship. And when I say feel, that’s something that I have observed in the decade that I’ve been training HSPs. We have this ability to feel that in other people…because we have this high level of empathy. We are able to feel when someone is in alignment with what fascinates us and when they’re not
Kim: Right. But the blockages and the intuition and the way that we stop ourselves from understanding that. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because I know so much today about spiritual journeys and energy journeys are about alignment, alignment, alignment, and I don’t know, I personally struggle with that. It’s like, sure, alignment, but what does that mean and how does that help? I’m guessing that there’s a specific way that that is real and in terms of energy and purpose and being able to recognize these things, I’m guessing.
Willow: Yeah. So, an interesting way of looking that sometimes is around identity. So, if someone is on a journey of wellbeing and they’re trying to attain their kind of best self, let’s say the truth of their identity is going to be aligned with an energetic resonance that’s within them. So, when we are being the truth of who we are, which we’re all aspiring to, and no matter how much we try, we’re not necessarily get to the be all of and end all in one life in this life, but we are on that journey of evolution to try to attain as close to we can of being in alignment when we are in a state of authenticity, there is a resonance to that that can be felt, and it can also be measured. Now they’re working on ways to actually measure the resonance of truth, which is a fascinating work.
Kim: Gosh, we can’t hide anything. Not only can you sense it, but they can measure it.
Willow: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Kim: Okay.
Willow: Well, interestingly, there’s MRI studies done with HSPs that are actually where different parts of our brain light up depending on the emotion in the person in front of us. So, we have an ability to read the emotional state in other people. My experience of that is that it goes a bit further than emotion. I mean, emotion is energy in motion. So, in answer to your question, the resonance of the truth of who we are is a frequency. If we are not on track with that and we are supporting a false identity, which is perhaps led by story and conditioning, I’m not good enough. I’m never going to be able to get healthy. I can’t find the right relationships, whatever it may be, which most of that also has a, sorry…
Kim: I’m so sorry. No. Which most of us are struggling in that way of things.
Willow: All of us are. All of us are. I believe that we are all on a journey of coming from the false conditioning into claiming the truth of who we are. And some of us have the courage to do that, and some of us may not do that, but that I feel is a way to look at it is between when someone’s not on track, that means that if we are coaching someone like that, we can feel that lower frequency. We can feel like when I’m training coaches and specialists and we’re doing practice sessions, they can sense when someone’s going off into story and trying to justify. It’s like, no, we don’t want to go over there. Let come back to this. Tell me again what this was, and then the energy lift and lights again. So, there’s a difference in the frequency.
Kim: Would you say that’s mostly the struggle between what we want authentically and what we desire authentically versus what we think we ought to and what we think we should do based on what we’re told and the masks and false identities? Is that your sense?
Willow: A hundred percent. Yeah. I think that’s exactly what’s going on. I think the truth of who we are is it’s interconnected. In other words, it’s natural. It’s a natural part of who we are. So, when we think about we have an area of life that we’re competent in, there’s the journey towards authenticity, I believe, and from experience and interesting to get your take on this too, is that that is our natural state. In other words, it’s what nature intends for us.
So, part of the reason why I think people get depressed when we are not following our truth and we’re not doing the work or being who we should be is because the nature in us is protesting that the very soul in us is protesting. It’s saying that is actually a better way for you, and there’s a natural identity and authenticity that’s there for you if you have the courage to follow it. And that takes courage and takes a leap of faith. But when we don’t and we say, no, I don’t want to do that, it’s too scary and we stay stuck in the wrong job or the wrong work or the lifestyle, that’s when our system protests. And I believe that’s what causes depression.
Kim: And from your perspective, how do you think stepping into our authenticity helps not only us, but those around us? What is the gain there for being our most authentic selves? Why would we want to chase that, or why would we aspire to kind of grow in that area?
Willow: I think that we are all a part of the bigger picture of life. We are all a puzzle piece within this greater context. I think if we are able to be in our truth and be in our authenticity and have the courage to pursue that, we are actually switching on the light within ourselves, within the very unique area of life that we can affect and the change that we can make whatever we are born to do, and that is performing the role that nature’s trying to live through us.
So, if we had everyone in the world coming from their truth, being honest about who they are and doing the work that they knew that they were being in service in the way that’s true in their hearts, then we suddenly have a world that is engaged and aligned and moving in conjunction with this greater intelligence, versus when we are not doing that and we’re digging our heels in more focused on personal gain, not being interested in our truth, not wanting to serve, then that puts the world into chaos.
Kim: So, it’s almost like letting nature, letting creation flow through us and do what we’re naturally meant to do versus the control or the ego or the greed, and that’s where we falter.
Willow: Absolutely. Yeah, that’s certainly my experience.
Kim: Wow. So, what is your greatest challenge with your high sensitivity, would you say? What do you struggle with when it comes to being an HSP?
Willow: My greatest struggle is always the concern that I’m not doing enough. And I know that that comes from my conditioning of not being enough. That was something that I had to work through in order to be able to do the work that I do today. So, it’s a part of being an HSP that I struggle with in terms of am I doing enough? Am I getting enough done? And then managing my energy, so wanting to push and wanting to strive and drive and make as much difference as I can.
And sometimes that takes me out of alignment because then I’m not aligned, so then I’m kind of working from a place of stress or from a program that’s pushing me. So, I have to be very careful and be aware of my system and how I’m feeling. I’m making sure that I’m stopping eating properly, meditating, walking or exercising or getting in nature. Those things reset me, and then I’m like, okay, Willow, we can get back to work maybe tomorrow.
Kim: Yeah. With you finding that balance, I feel like we naturally have such a need to want to do the meditation, want to learn, want to grow, and it’s almost like we have to have a checklist every day of all the stuff we want to get to in small bits.
Willow: Yeah, absolutely. I think we do take a lot of nurture, but there’s good reason. I think our sensitivity is hugely important in the world. I think we are here to bring a different perspective, and we’re designed to see things in a different way, and I think that’s when we really start to understand our sense of empowerment. When we own that and we do get interested in what really fascinates us, then I think then we accept on one side, yes, I take a lot of upkeep and nurture and care, but that’s for a very good reason because I have these abilities.
Kim: And sometimes our responsibilities and push for work can get in the way of that nurturing and caring. It feels like frivolous. Yeah.
Willow: Yeah. I agree.
Kim: What are some of the things that you love about your high sensitivity? What do you celebrate?
Willow: I absolutely love the depth to which I feel things and experience things. I’m also high sensation seeking as well, and that I absolutely love that I am, that I am so kind of enthralled into this state of rapture when something really excites me or the adventures that I go on, and just being able to feel and experience the world at such a deep sensory level. That part of it, I just love, it just feels like I’m filling up this kind of hard drive of experience and data and information, which is just so intriguing. Of course, sometimes it’s deeply challenging, but I just love the depth to which I can see and experience things. That’s definitely my favorite. Even just the fun of going to a movie when you’re in a really good mood and it’s in a massive screen and it’s like you’ve got your favorite candy or whatever.
Kim: Oh my God, the popcorn. It smells so good! Yeah, totally. And to the others, it’s probably like, what the hell? And to it’s like, oh, this is amazing. That’s awesome. What advice do you have for HSPs who maybe struggling, like finding purpose or happiness or joy in their lives? What would you say?
Willow: Yeah, I think the core message that I have is to stop fighting being different or trying to hide being different because society’s set up in the way that it is, and I’m not saying that it’s a flaw in any way, but we are trained to be the same. We’re trained to find success in the same way. We have the same education system. We’re told to go on the same path through life to find the right job and the right partner. And whether that works for non-HSPs as well is another conversation.
But for HSPs, one of the most important things that we can recognize is that we are wired differently, and we are seeing things differently. And we do care very, very deeply. So rather than fighting against our nature, it’s better in my experience to get interested in our nature. How am I seeing things more deeply? What is it I actually really care about? What’s the change that I would like to make, even if it’s just locally or in my family or in my local community? And to learn to share what we see and notice and what we care about, to find the language where we can help other people understand what we’re seeing, what we’re experiencing in a way that supports them and supports us. Because if we’re not doing that, then we are squashing everything down. And in doing that, that really does cause a lot of pain for us.
Kim: So, letting our thoughts and feelings and experiences flow through us to the best of our ability and not hiding who we are to the best that we can, cause that can be tough.
Willow: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And also, I think to have the courage to pursue what it is we really care about or what we really want to do, even if we’re just doing that in tiny steps, just talking to some people that are doing what we care about and taking the time to really think about that. What is it that’s always interested me since I was a child? What is the conversation I always really want to have? And I think that guides us more towards meaningful work. I think if we’re stuck on someone else’s agenda doing the work that we don’t want to be doing, that’s hell for us. So, take those little steps, find out, practice, just see where it leads you.
Kim: Yeah, get curious.
Willow: Yeah.
Kim: You’ve mentioned that you’re offering a masterclass. Can you share what that is and how people can access that?
Willow: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so in the link below, there’s a masterclass that takes you through a lot of what I’ve been talking about today. It introduces the high sensory method and how you can utilize that, and how you can begin to make some of these shifts for yourself within a safe container that invites you to begin to become more conscious of how these things are working in you.
Kim: And for people who want to follow along on your journey or connect, where can they find you?
Willow: Yeah, so one good way is YouTube. So that will also be in the description below the YouTube slash in luminance. That’s a good way to follow me and to follow the content that I’m releasing. Also, our website in luminance.com, that’s spelt slightly differently to how it sounds, so it’s important to click the link and then on the website there, there’s resources and there’s ways to get involved and get some of the support that you’re looking for.
Kim: Amazing. Thank you so much. Not only for your work, but for joining me today. It was real pleasure to talk to you.
Willow: Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed the conversation.
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About Willow McIntosh
Willow is a facilitator, international speaker, and founder of Inluminance. He specialises in facilitating Highly Sensitive People (HSPs), to recognise their innate High Sensory Intelligence® An ability to perceive truth of self in others and the energetic patterns at play in their environment.
His area of expertise is training HSPs to align their work and purpose with these unique perceptual gifts. Having facilitated change and transformation in thousands of HSPs since 2017, he is committed to bringing the importance of the trait into mainstream awareness globally. Learn more at inluminance.com or book your free discovery call here - https://inluminance.com/book-a-call
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